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Quote: Originally posted by BibleRick on November 03 2009

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<FONT color=blue size=3>"<FONT color=#000000 size=2>I know this is not what you thought, "

<FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=black size=2>Not So, It's Just what I though You would Conclude,
And Although we see things In a Different Light,
I only Hoped Only, That You would be a Gentle-man,
It's Ok That we see things Different,
In Fact it's A Good Thing, Iron sharpeneth iron (Prov 27:17) 

<FONT color=black size=2>I'll Try to be more Rhetoric, with My findings.
So by No means am I done, with what I know in My heart and By the <SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Scriptures, to be true. There was a few things You said, that I'll Touch on later, (It's Late) ...!!!</SPAN>

<FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">But, I thank You, Again for taking the time to Look...!!!</SPAN>

<FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Touching on Wording, Today was a different day for me, I met with about 150 Lawyers and their Families in a Shorts and Sandle type gathering, about something Not having to do with Biz, All Christians Mind You, and I did Touch on Wording, Because That's What they Do, it's All about the Wording, and thee <SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Importance of it.

It is what Makes or Breaks The Case, I Knew this,
and started with this to make A Point,
The Point wasn't to do with Judas, or Judah
(For those who may be wondering)
It had to do with, John 4:7 And 4:10
And More to the point "<FONT color=#ff0000>Give me to drink"
Some Hadn't given it a second Thought,
but there were some who had,
it was talked about and it was said that Most agreed
That He was Saying Give Me to Drink, Not Give me a Drink,
Figuratively To Drink Jesus The Living Water.

A Short, Yet,
Conformation to the Wording Making or Breaking a Case.

Wow, Humm, said Some, and that they had not seen it that way before, But agreed, That is what it said and it made perfect Sense.</SPAN></SPAN>

<FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Wording is Everything is my point, at which few take Note..!!</SPAN></SPAN>

<FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">What you Say and How you Say it, Makes all the diffence,
I'll try to be More Rhetoric...!!!</SPAN></SPAN>

<FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN cla**=bodybold>"Perfect Practice Makes Perfect"</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>

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Talking with My good Friend in Cal, As I do Daily
(Like Old Ladies) I'm Portagee Don't Ya Know,

People say I talk too much, I say I don't talk near enough...!!!

AnyHow, Something Dawned On Me, Wow, Even Though James Strong's Took some 35 Years Way Back then, People Only You his Concordance, Here and there. Afew years back I got the Numbers Sold Per Year, It was Only 200,000 Copies, That's It...!!!

And I Doubt Many Used it Like I did I read the Bible every Day All day, Reading while I eat, While in the rest room, Every Where, I could even tell Stories of people telling Me Dude I seen You walking Down the street Reading, It Got so bad for me, that a normal Wake period for me was 2 and three day, No Sleep, The Normal day was not the clock that everyone Else Goes By...!!

A Point is this, When The Bible was Open,
So Was the Concordance, I've gone through at least 7 or 8 Concordance, All full up with Notes, time for a new One...!!!

But my main Point is This,
Few have Used the Concordance to it's Fullest..

But Now with the onset of Computers, As They Say,
We've only just begun...!!!

I did it without the Computer,
But Now that I have one,
Notes and the endless Study,
Can Reveal Sooo Much More...!!!

Seaching One Word Say, Stone 191 times a study this this, Who does Studies to that degree?
That complete,?
not to mention throwing in Words that go with it,
stones 178 times
or Rock and Sand, Earth and there are More,
Not One Person I've met in my 30 years of Studying has taking Word Studies to that degree, With A Book that is a Long Hard study, But now with the onset of the Computer, it can be done Like Never before....!!!

Wow, We live in an age A Time that will allow us the Liberty to Do such studies with ease,
and with the Notes to see thing Later That we may have missed First time Around...!!! Wow...!!!

The Study of the Word, "Judah" 813 times in 752 verses.

Just to do that would be far beond anything any One of Us has Done.

Let alone, reading, not only that Verse But the Verses around it,
to get the full context in Veiw...

Come On Now, You have to agree, Now With the Computer, We can see and Learn things,
Never Seen before, Ever...!!!

The Only Question is, Have We...???

Again, It's A Rhetorical Question...???

Quote: Originally posted by 14400 on November 03 2009

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Quote: Originally posted by BibleRick on October 27 2009

For Some it just makes too much sense, Others it takes a min, But I thank You for at least taking a Look at it, Although I would not be saying it's true without Believing it 100% and it's not something That I just touched on, No, It's something I have been in heavy study with for 30 years now.

I've been looking for the Verse that prove me wrong,

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God forbid I lead others astray.

Again, I wouldn't be saying it if I didn't Know it to be true...!!!

Once I was pretty sure that it was true,
God opened my eyes to the truth of it, Everywhere.

And Again, Only after Long study did He show me How the Story of Judas, Is the Story of Judah...!!!

Who more that Judah is talked about in the Old Testament,
Judah Israel, Jerusalem.

Judah is talked about in 33 of the 39 Old Testament Books,
(By Name)
Only these books Don't,
Leviticus, Job, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Jonah, Habakkuk !

More to Come...!!!!

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Hi there,

so I did consider as you pointed out and began to search based upon those things you stated prior.

To wit; "bowels" as the heart of man?

   Interestingly, much work i was caused several years ago did indeed include "Bowels" as one key word, and so much scripture involved that very word, yet i still found in proper context that "Bowels" does indeed indicate the inward parts of man, meaning the literal bowels, or guts, and in other context it does take the figurative meaning for the Heart of man, and yet in another context it is the synonym for the grave or hell.

then as I went on and applied this understanding to the context of;

Ac 1:18
    Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

I personally found the context of this verse proves that the word "Bowels" the original Ancient Greek word; "splavgcnon", to the seat of the more violent pa**ions, such as anger and love;

Now in this I found that truly, Judas was sorrowful, which word is also translated as "TORMENT" in most all other places in the Greek.

This would describe perfectly judas in the bitterness of his offense and love for Christ...not Christ's love for him however.

Upon the realization of his own offense, being made bitter by his own betrayal of Christ, realizing that Jesus was truly Christ, he repented "HIMSELF" out of "HIS LOVE FOR CHRIST" as "SORROWFUL" or in torment. Never, never on any account did I find that Christ loved him, and that is the Key, for it is the LOVE OF CHRIST, in that HE LOVED US FIRST that would indicate FORGIVENESS unto SALVATION, and not his love towards Christ which is a work without Christ's faith.

Now, to prove this, I looked to this verse as follows to harmonize your conclusion without contradiction:

Joh 17:12
    While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

So above, this proves that Judas was moved by divine nature to do what he did, and Judas was never included in those that god gave to Christ to save as this scripture irrefutably proves, and in no certain terms could any one harmonize this scripture with the conclusion that Judas was forgiven least saved to life eternal., for john 6:44 and 6:65 tells this precept in no uncertain terms as well:

John 6:44 & 65

   44.) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

   65.) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Clearly we can see that Judas was not given to Christ by God the Father.

Because judas repented of himself the deed that he had done, does not prove nor even elude to the fact that God has to forgive and give one eternal life, for then it would be that GOD repented HIMSELF of the curse that is upon Judas as well as all mankind which is death without life everlasting...hell.

I do thank you however for pointing out that we need to always be diligent in our considering of all things with readiness of mind! Readiness of mind is with an open mind without preconceived ideas, and sometimes even the most learned can get tunnel vision.

I know this is not what you thought, yet I urge you also to search the scriptures with readiness of mind, and be open to Gods word in correction, that is a humble and contrite heart.

peace

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Quote: Originally posted by BibleRick on November 03 2009

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<FONT color=blue size=3>"<FONT color=#000000 size=2>I know this is not what you thought, "

<FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=black size=2>Not So, It's Just what I though You would Conclude,
And Although we see things In a Different Light,
I only Hoped Only, That You would be a Gentle-man,
It's Ok That we see things Different,
In Fact it's A Good Thing, Iron sharpeneth iron (Prov 27:17) 

<FONT color=black size=2>I'll Try to be more Rhetoric, with My findings.
So by No means am I done, with what I know in My heart and By the <SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Scriptures, to be true. There was a few things You said, that I'll Touch on later, (It's Late) ...!!!</SPAN>

<FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">But, I thank You, Again for taking the time to Look...!!!</SPAN>

<FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Touching on Wording, Today was a different day for me, I met with about 150 Lawyers and their Families in a Shorts and Sandle type gathering, about something Not having to do with Biz, All Christians Mind You, and I did Touch on Wording, Because That's What they Do, it's All about the Wording, and thee <SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Importance of it.

It is what Makes or Breaks The Case, I Knew this,
and started with this to make A Point,
The Point wasn't to do with Judas, or Judah
(For those who may be wondering)
It had to do with, John 4:7 And 4:10
And More to the point "<FONT color=#ff0000>Give me to drink"
Some Hadn't given it a second Thought,
but there were some who had,
it was talked about and it was said that Most agreed
That He was Saying Give Me to Drink, Not Give me a Drink,
Figuratively To Drink Jesus The Living Water.

A Short, Yet,
Conformation to the Wording Making or Breaking a Case.

Wow, Humm, said Some, and that they had not seen it that way before, But agreed, That is what it said and it made perfect Sense.</SPAN></SPAN>

<FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Wording is Everything is my point, at which few take Note..!!</SPAN></SPAN>

<FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">What you Say and How you Say it, Makes all the diffence,
I'll try to be More Rhetoric...!!!</SPAN></SPAN>

<FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN lang=ET style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: ET; mso-fareast-language: ET; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN cla**=bodybold>"Perfect Practice Makes Perfect"</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>

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